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Unapologetic Detection: When Murder Meets Birding
Ever wondered what happens when a murder disrupts the hallowed halls of the White House? "The Residence" serves up a deliciously different take on the murder mystery genre, balancing clever comedy with genuine intrigue while showcasing the often-overlooked White House staff who keep the historic mansion running.
What makes this Shonda Rhimes production truly special is its departure from her signature high-stakes emotional dramas. Instead, we're treated to a more lighthearted approach where the murder investigation becomes a vehicle for exploring the rich tapestry of White House history and the dedicated professionals who maintain its traditions across changing administrations. The series portrays these staff members with such reverence that you can't help but develop a newfound appreciation for the actual White House as a living, breathing entity with stories embedded in its very walls.
At the center of this captivating mystery stands Uzo Aduba's Cordelia Cup - a detective whose unwavering confidence and unapologetic approach to both birding and crime-solving make her instantly memorable. The ensemble cast delivers performances that feel authentic and nuanced, creating workplace dynamics that resonate with anyone who's navigated professional relationships. What's particularly refreshing is how the diverse casting showcases various personalities without making race the central focus - characters stand their ground regardless of position, creating a representation that avoids stereotypes while acknowledging the complexities of workplace hierarchies.
Whether you're drawn to smart comedy, historical settings, murder mysteries, or simply appreciate watching talented actors at the top of their game, "The Residence" offers something truly special. Subscribe now to hear our full breakdown of this Netflix gem and join the conversation about what direction Shonda Rhimes might take this intriguing concept next!
Hi guys, and welcome to next episode with Nick and Jess. And today we're discussing the Netflix hit, the Residence. Yes, so I'm really excited about this show because I felt like it was very, very charming, very cute and even though it's about a murder, like emotionally, like the stakes stakes were low for me. I don't know how you felt about that yeah, absolutely it felt.
Jess:It felt it was more of like a comedy. It was funny, I didn't.
Niq:Yeah, murder was fine right, even though, like, the characters were very good, very endearing, like even the murder victim, because you, as like the show goes on, you get to know more and more about the murder victim, like I. It's not that goes on, you get to know more and more about the murder victim, like I.
Jess:It's not that I did not make an emotional connection with a lot of the characters, because I did, but at the same time, like it was I, it led with comedy and I mean, if you think about it like it starts with the murder and then you learn about AB, who's the guy who's murdered, so like you don't have a chance to connect with him until after he's already dead.
Niq:You know? Right, that's very true, that's very true. Now, I don't know if you know. So AB Winter, who's the person who was murdered, was played by Giancarlo Esposito. Did you know that he was not the original person who was supposed to play that part?
Jess:I did, I did, but that guy passed away.
Niq:Yes.
Jess:Do you know who he?
Niq:was Andrew Brower.
Jess:The guy from Brooklyn Nine-Nine.
Niq:Yes, and I was like he would have been so good.
Jess:Yeah, yeah, yeah, he would have been better than he went to.
Niq:Yeah, that was really, really sad. They had literally started filming and everything like he died during production of the show. So giancarlo stepped in and he was talking about how emotional it was because he that was like a friend of his. Oh wow, I didn't know. They were friends, yeah. And so he ended up having to step in and I was like, oh my goodness, watching the show, I was trying to picture him in the role of what he would have bought.
Jess:Yeah, he done a little about some comedy to it as well. He has the ability to appear like a straight man, but still be funny.
Niq:Yes, he is the funniest straight man I I feel like I love it because he's like, it's like he'll say the most ridiculous thing with, like, the straightest face in the sternest voice and I love it I do I love it so okay, my first question do you think this show was meant to be like a one-off? I do?
Jess:I do Because I can't see where they would go next season, with it being focused on the White House and it being called the Residence. So I do think it's meant to kind of be a one-off. So is it considered a show or a limited series? Because that's what I was. I wasn't sure about that.
Niq:I don't think it was listed as a limited series, because that's what I was. I wasn't sure about that. I don't think it was listed as a limited series. But I also feel like a lot of American shows are not necessarily listed as limited series. There's just one of them and that's just it, because I think secretly there, if people were willing to pay, they will make anything a sequel. We love a sequel in America.
Jess:We do, we do. So I think it was meant to be a one-off, but I feel like I can see where it would go. I would love another murder mystery every season, so Cordelia Cup maybe being the same and maybe keeping the police chief that she's close to, but the rest of the cast completely changing every season, because it's a different murder mystery and I would be down for that ride.
Niq:But I cast completely changing every season because it's a different murder mystery and I would be down for that ride, but I don't know that that's what they plan to do. I don't know. I haven't heard anything either, but I'm like, okay, it is called the Residence, so if it's going to be White House centered and a mystery, I'm like maybe something could get stolen next year other mysteries instead of just murder or someone could be kidnapped, I don't know.
Niq:One of the things that the first season had was a lot of information about the White House and the history of the White House, and like that I feel like added a layer to the show, because it really kind of gave you a glimpse Like people don't know a lot of about the back, like the background of the White House and how it functions and how it runs, and it just gave kind of it shined a light on the people who are working so hard and don't get a lot of credit, so that was beautiful, but also it's like, okay, they did that.
Niq:What happens next season?
Jess:Yeah, and that's the thing. But I think the White House is so old, there's a lot of room for history, for the history of it, so I think that they can still even go deeper, or different seasons, depending on. The mystery touches on different parts of the history. It burned down at one point. You know it was built by enslaved people, like. There's a lot of stuff that you could go into as far as the history goes, but I do again also like the shine and the light on the staff, that kind of keep it going, keep it running, and I mean you can go like so the it's the residence, so like it focused on the part that they live in, but then you also have the West Wing, like the part where they actually run.
Jess:you know the country from, so there's like that part and that history and that's what's happened in that office, that kind of stuff, and then that would also be a different staff.
Niq:Would it be pushing it too far if they, like, did a season at Camp David or where the vice president lives, like, is that pushing it too far? No, Heck.
Jess:For me. Cordelia Cup is the show, so we can do this season at the White House, we can do the next one at the Governor's Mansion, I don't care. You know what I mean, right Wherever, while I get it, it starts with the White House and that's kind of why it's called the residence. The governor's mansion also is going to have a staff. It's going to have a history, depending on what she can travel, because I feel like he called her in and contracted her. She can really go anywhere in the country. She's not limited to this place. There's a lot of places that would have a similar and as important feel that we can get into the background in Austria. Like I said, I like her, so I'll go with you on that ride.
Niq:This is a Shonda Rhimes production. This is really outside of what we expect from Shonda Rhimes. Do you agree with that? I do. I do agree with that. I like it. I did.
Niq:I loved it because the thing about it is is Shonda Rhimes, she loves drama, she loves interracial romance, she loves like, like, a lot of like tear, dirt, jerky, strong, emotional stories like you know, private practice, gray's anatomy, how to get away with murder, even bridgerton, which is, you know, a show that she produces, it's it. There's a lot of like emotion, there's a lot of romance. You know, there's a lot of stakes are very high in those shows. This show was so fun. Yeah, yeah, right, and I'm like, oh, you know, I want to see more low stakes shows from shonda rhimes because she, she's doing a low stakes show well. Yeah, it's got the quality of her other shows it does. But like, one of the things that made me stop watching Grey's Anatomy is because they would spend 45 minutes making me fall in love with the character that they were going to kill off in a tragic way in the last 15 minutes of the show. Yes, and so for this show to have a murder in it and I not be triggered by it. I loved it.
Jess:Well, and that's the thing, I think that's also the starting with the murder. So that's out the way we already know. That's why we're here and versus, like you know, warming up to the character that's going to go away.
Niq:Yeah. So also I think, casting they did an excellent job, excellent, excellent, absolutely think casting they did an excellent job.
Jess:Excellent, excellent, absolutely.
Niq:So Cordelia Cup is being portrayed by Uzo Aduba. Thank you, you know I will jack up a name and I literally be calling her Uzo, like we're friends. I don't know, maybe she's my cousin. I've loved her and admired her For a long time. She's a phenomenal actor and I loved her in this show Because normally she's doing a lot. She was in Orange is the New Black and she basically played somebody who was psychotic. Usually she plays a huge personality and she played someone with a big personality in this show, but the way that she played it, it was like so it was very simplified, it was like I loved her personality. It is what it is. Yeah, you know, here's the thing like I'm the best detective, right? Not arguing that fact with you, that's just a fact.
Jess:Right.
Niq:I also love birds. And I'm going to take this opportunity to go birding at the White House. Like, yes, there's an investigation going on, but I'm birding and I'm like going through things in my head, I'm making connections. Like she was unapologetic, like even like down to like the food that she was eating and like I think his name was edwin was getting offended like she. She does not apologize for who she is and I love seeing a black woman in that role.
Niq:she's not like she's not being like a typical stereotypical black bee, how they love to portray us. She's just strong, confident and intelligent and unapologetically herself, and I feel like more of us need to be that person.
Jess:I agree, I do like. One of the things that you know we kind of talked before is like I like how she interacted with white people, white men who tried to intimidate her and she just would not allow it in any state. But I feel like a good like I was bitching to say all the Black characters did in this. You know what I mean. There wasn't that sort of kowtowing or stepping down to them when they tried to intimidate, when they tried to force themselves in certain places and situations or make themselves seem more powerful than they were. No one backed down, no one stepped aside. They stood their ground, no matter what their position was, and I like that.
Niq:You know what is interesting this show, if you think about it, was almost race blind. There were a lot of Black characters in this show, but the show was not about Blackness at all. Like it, like there was, it was almost as if the show was race-blonde Like I, first of all, I I love that because just because there's Black people in it doesn't make it a Black show. You know what I mean. It's just showing that probably, like, like in real life, a lot of the people who are doing that work are Black, you know what I mean, and they talk about their jobs with such reverence.
Niq:They do Like the lady who was talking about how she worked at Waffle House. Yeah, and she was able to work at the White House and she really wanted to work at the White House. And how they talk about the history and how they talk about the protocol and how much they care about the house and keeping the traditions alive. They have a reverence for what they do and, like they said, it's not based on politics, it's not you know what I mean. It was just kind of beautiful. The cast was like. I felt like it was like reasonably a reasonably diverse cast, but it and they didn't have like those snarky comments or those jokes about people's race and stuff like that like you know what I'm saying, like it, I really enjoyed that.
Niq:I did. Yeah, which is interesting because, you know, I just recently saw sinners and sinners like, what makes that so great is how heavily the blackness is being focused on. But it's a different movie trying to do a different thing.
Jess:Yeah, because because I think there's room for both, and that's always like you know. Yeah, because I think there's room for both, and that's always like. You know what I mean. I think the issue is not that one should exist and one shouldn't, it's just that they both have a right to exist.
Niq:Yes, and more often they don't. You know what I mean. I don't like it when they pigeonhole a show, a Black show, just because it has a Black lead. You know what I mean. But at the same time, I do think that there are shows that are Black-centered and in Black culture and that's great, that does need to happen and that does need to be celebrated. But there just needs to be a balance. But yes, I thought this like I enjoyed it.
Jess:On that note, I feel like there's also a balance in the cast with that. Like you get to see different kinds of Black people because you know, like the one that you mentioned, the one who went from the Waffle House to the White House she's a very interested in personality, but you also get to see. You get to see her, you get to see AB's personality Uzo I'm sorry, cordelia, you know what I mean Like there's just there's such a variety of the portrayals that I appreciate as well.
Niq:Yes, yeah, I agree, but I think that they I'm like they, honestly they really did a good job with all of the casting. Everybody was very like, unquestionable, like I I didn't say, oh, you know it was. There was not one person who was lacking, like the performances were there, the casting made sense.
Niq:I thought that they, like the cast, did a really good job of interacting in a way like so, workplaces are tough, right, and at its heart, this is kind of like a workplace comedy.
Niq:You know, like they're all of these like like how they talk about when they talk about the issues, because they're trying to find out who murdered ab. So they're like you're learning about the staff members and different people who work there and you're learning about their relationships with ab and also with each other, and so it's like as much as the staff loves each other. You know, when you work together for a long time, you have like these long-standing, like beefs. You have these like different situations and I think that they did a really good job of like weaving everything together, like where it felt very, very like realistic and it made sense, like because, like the show is like, in a way, it's nonsense and it's fun and it's like fantastical a little bit, yeah, but they weaved a lot of genuine things into it you know that, that that reverence, that tradition, that history and how complicated relationships can be, you know, and how like you want to do a great job.
Niq:What happens when someone is hindering you from even when you're working your hardest, and how is that this frustrated and then having to deal with the different administrations coming in and doing things their way. When the house is like a river, like it flows you know what I mean and then they each new administration come in and it's like a dam, you know. They come in and they build over. So then the like the river has to adjust how it flows, but at the same time trying to still move forward in that same direction.
Jess:Yeah, so it was beautiful it was and the house is a character. Yeah, I love that.
Niq:I honestly like it made. I think, like right now, in the political climate and with all of the craziness going on, like it gave me like a lot of respect for like the White House itself yeah, the actual house the actual house, the actual history, the actual traditions and all of the people who are working night and day to make that happen.
Niq:Right. It's the way that like Hamilton redeemed Alexander Hamilton and all of the people who are working night and day to make that happen. Right. It's the way that like Hamilton redeemed Alexander Hamilton and all of a sudden made him like somebody that we all, for some reason, love and respect, as long as we don't look too hard. You know, I feel like it did the same thing, because I never, really I think I was extremely indifferent when it came to the White House, extremely indifferent, and I was like you know what, maybe in eight years, maybe I'll take a tour maybe you know, anyway, so I'm sorry.
Niq:So, with this show being so, so great, what would you like to see Shonda tackle next? That's like outside of her wheelhouse that's a good question.
Jess:What would I like to see Shonda Rimes do? I don't know. She's done so much already. She's done a lot of medical shows. This is now a mystery. Have we gotten a thriller from her? I don't know. She's done so much already. She's done a lot of medical shows. This is now a mystery.
Niq:Have we gotten a thriller from her? What about how to Get Out Away with Murder? That was kind of like a thriller drama.
Jess:I couldn't follow that one.
Niq:Because it was like people were getting murdered. You were like trying to figure it out.
Jess:Yeah, I know, but I just didn't watch it. I keep getting stuck on the first season with that one. A do-over. You want to see a do-over? I'm not not a best like of a thriller. Like, I would like to see a different thriller from her. That one, yeah. How to Get Away with Workbook Murder? I couldn't, I just couldn't get into that one.
Niq:I feel like you know what my answer is going to be.
Jess:What.
Niq:Oh, I don't. Actually I want to see her do something in the sci-fi realm.
Jess:Oh, okay, that makes sense because she's done plenty of historical fiction, right.
Niq:Like.
Niq:I wonder what her take on sci-fi Would be, because you know sci-fi is so vast, so it's like what would she be interested-fi would be what like what? Because you know sci-fi is so vast. So it's like what would she be interested in? Would it be aliens? Would it be like robots and technology? Like what kind of story would she tell? What kind of lessons would she try to teach us? I would be really curious on what Shonda Rhimes sci-fi would look like. Okay, I would be really curious on what Shonda Rhimes sci-fi would look like.
Jess:Okay, I would watch it it's not too much that she's done that I wouldn't watch, except for the medical shows, but that's just because my feelings about medical shows you don't watch any other than Scrubs, right?
Niq:yeah, you didn't like Private Practice. It's Medicine Night, oh.
Jess:I worked in hospitals for a long time. I did not. You know, I believe in the separation of work and home, even when I work from home. So when I get off I don't want to do nothing that has to do with anything like work. So that's why scrubs was funny. So I could do scrubs, but I could not come home from a hospital see what I saw, even in passing, because I wasn't medical. Um, see what I saw even in passing and then watch gray's anatomy, you know what I mean. It would feel like I didn't leave right, that was like me.
Niq:When I like, when I was working in hospitality, I didn't want to watch hotel shows.
Jess:Right, so like you're not coming home and watching David Bach show, right.
Niq:Right, because, like I did that all day, right, and like I can watch the White Lotus now because I'm so far removed from it, like I've been out of that industry for so long, right, but I still have strong feelings.
Jess:You still have strong feelings. So that's the same thing, feelings. So now it's been at least three years, maybe four, since I've been in the hospital. So I'm like maybe I could try again. But when Graves was out I was like no, I am not going home, you know, I just want somebody to get their back sewn up in real life. I don't want to go home and watch it on TV.
Niq:One of the things that I feel like I like about this show and I would love to see more is smart and funny TV. I think that people they try to make smart, funny TV and a lot of times it's either one or the other or it's neither.
Jess:You know, I don't know times, it's either one or the other or it's neither you know, I don't know that it's hard, because I feel like we used to get it a lot and then it was just kind of a lull.
Niq:I don't know, like when you think of a smart, funny TV show, what do you think of?
Jess:A show I've never watched was the Office. I would assume, like I think people.
Niq:I don't think it's smart because, like it's not, there's a lot of like ridiculous characters in there. It's it's a just like it's a well written show. Like it's a great show Is the Office.
Jess:No, I never seen the Office.
Niq:It's a great show.
Jess:Are you guys in the office?
Niq:No, I'm never in the office. It's a great show. I don't know. I wouldn't necessarily think of it as super smart, okay. I don't know Everybody loved it so I assumed.
Niq:Yeah, no, because it's a great show. But what makes the show so great are, honestly, the characters and their relationships. You know what I mean. It's a great because it's a great show, but I mean what makes the show so great are, honestly, like, the characters and their relationships. You know what I mean. Like there's a like a bunch of like oddballs and then one person who swears that he's like the straight man and you know around a bunch of oddballs but, like sir, to do the things that you do you're also an oddball too and how they interact like in like. So they work for a paper company, which is like one of the most mundane jobs that you could think of. You know what I mean. So you just kind of see, like their shenanigans. You should really watch the Office.
Jess:I don't think I missed the moment with that one.
Niq:No, people are literally still watching it today over and over again. Ask me how I know okay people, I also watch Parks and Rec still watching it today over and over again. Ask me how I know Okay People, I also watch Parks and Rec.
Jess:I tried Parks and Rec recently.
Niq:How about a few episodes? I love Leslie, I love Leslie Knope, I love the optimism. It's the same way like the thing that I love about like Cordelia is like how strong and confident she is. Like that's how I feel about like Leslie Knope's optimism. People will say like try to like bring the truth, or like you can't do this and she's like I can, I just can. Like you can't do this and she's like, eh, I can, I just can. Like she doesn't doubt herself. I just think that more women need to be confident. But also I would not consider that show a smart, funny show either okay, so I think I was watching it more for Rhea.
Jess:Rhea's character, which I don't know the name and I'm sorry it's a character oh, is Rhea Donna.
Niq:is she the black woman Donna? And I'm sorry, it's a character. Oh, is Rhea Donna? Is she the black woman Donna? Okay, because I'm like literally going through my head and I'm like who on the show is Rhea?
Jess:Yeah, sometimes I know the character name, sometimes I know their real name.
Niq:Donna is one of the best characters ever and it's for the same reason that I love Cordelia Cup. Like Donna has been on that show like all the time you've never seen like a fat joke about her, like they. Like she is like a character who is like on point, very confident, very about like luxury, unapologetic, like how she lives her life, like I, I love that. But she's not, once again, she's not like a nasty personality or anything like that. She's like cool, calm, she's chill, but she's also like the most fabulous person there. You know like where she was. You say what I was trying to get to the episode. I think I did. Where she was with the South American dignitaries. You said what I was trying to get to the episode.
Jess:I think I did where she was with the South American dignitaries, because I saw it on TikTok, and so then I'm like I need to see this whole episode.
Niq:Oh yeah, they're like, well, yes, I choose the Black woman. And then they're like is there a book? If not, I also choose the Black woman. Yes, yeah, yes, yeah, I enjoyed, I enjoyed her character on Parks and Rec. But I love Parks and Rec because I also like April's character, like the really dry, and I also love. I love that show.
Jess:I'm sorry because I'm just like, because you like, oh, you watched it for Aziz and sorry, and I'm like he's like one of my least favorite characters well, like they were the two that I was familiar with outside because you know, they had the treat yourself thing, which I've only seen because I hadn't watched the show. I'd always seen clips of people posting the treat yourself, and then I had seen a clip of the South American Dignitaries episode which was like.
Niq:Then I was like, okay, let me go watch do you know what famous meme also comes from that show, which one don't be suspicious, don't don't be. I didn't know that was from that show. Yes, that also comes like most people don't know that, but yeah, that also comes from Parker Reck. Parker Reck is awesome so let me ask you, so we both agree that like Uzo is like the bomb, right? Do you feel like Hollywood understands her gifts and are utilizing them like to the best of their ability?
Jess:Hollywood never understands anyone's gifts who are not like this, like very specific type of person. So absolutely not. But I think she understands her gifts and she utilizes them to the best of her ability because you know she continues to see her, we continue to see her different opportunities that like, really. But I think she understands her gifts and she uses them to the best of her ability Because you know she continued to see her, we continue to see her different opportunities that, like, really push boundaries or well, push boundaries for us. But I think, like she's not, I think as a person, she's not afraid, she uses her gifts well and she's going to continue to go after things that people might not see her in otherwise people might not see her in otherwise.
Niq:So if you could create a story, or if you can think of a story that you would love to see her in, what would it be? I?
Jess:would love to see her in anything. She's also one of those people that if she's on it, I'm going to watch it. But let me see who would I like to see her go next? Is it weird to say a rom-com?
Niq:No, not at all.
Jess:Yeah, yeah, I want her to be the romantic lead in something.
Niq:I would love that. I would love something like that where she's the romantic lead, but also where she's the governor, and also because I love when she gets to flex her intelligence and her leadership. So I would love to see a movie where she's the governor and she falls in love, but don't make her fall in love with the groundskeeper. I want to see like a movie where she's like the governor and she falls in love, but don't make her fall in love with the groundskeeper, like I want to see like a tech billionaire, like whining and dining her as she like unpacks, like her issues and what it's like to be like powerful and figure out how to like live and work with someone else who's also powerful. I hate when they make successful Black women date down. I hate that Me too. So, yeah, please don't have her fall in love with the janitor.
Jess:Yeah, I'm seeing her in anything. We haven't seen her in sci-fi either. No, not that I can remember.
Niq:No, I would definitely watch her as, like, the head of a starship or a like scientist trying to like find the cure of a virus that is ravaging the Earth. I would watch it.
Jess:Yeah, dystopian flick maybe. Ooh, you know what?
Niq:would be interesting. They do a dystopic movie and she's the head of the dystopic government.
Jess:Right, but we also need her as a villain, because I've never seen her as a villain.
Niq:You know what that would be good. She would kill a role as a villain role.
Jess:Even like Crazy Eyes. Even though it was so a good, it was an interesting role. She wasn't the villain.
Niq:No, she wasn't. You know what. I would love to see her in the Western.
Jess:But I also think that Piper was the villain in that show. But that's just my personal opinion.
Niq:I totally agree she was. I feel like that show was like oh my God, I'm too good for this, but yet you did a crime, you did the crimes, so you're not, you're not too good, you belong here, just like a little meth girl. She was the least interesting character. But I would love to see Uzo in a western. Oh okay, that's really different. What makes you say western? Because I feel like we need more black westerns, but like so, for example, I would love to see her in like a western version of like Macbeth or something like that.
Jess:Okay, that's really specific.
Niq:Like I want to see like a Western, but like with another layer to it, like a Western version of Hamlet or Othello, you know what I mean, something where you have to have a version of Othello, you know I mean, if she plays Othello, no, still We've plays Othello, no, still We've never felt all enough. But I just want to see, like I want to see a role that would be challenging for anybody Because I know she would body it. Yeah, agreed. Also, maybe it's Cowboy Carter, but I just would love to see, like I don't know, I just like I'm like I want to see when westerns are done, well, I like them. I don't like traditional westerns, but I like movies because I love period pieces so.
Niq:I love movies that are set in different time periods. I love movies with heavy costuming. You know what I mean. But I think a lot of times, because I love historical fiction, like I need that little extra, like go, if you're going back in time, like all of a sudden we got aliens, all of a sudden we have zombies, or society is completely flipped and now we're doing this and now we're doing that. So that's what I'm like.
Niq:I would love to see her in a western because I would love for her to be able to like do that the physicality of learning how to shoot a gun and like riding horses. Like I would love for her to challenge herself, to like learn those things and portray those things on screen. But also because I know that she's such a great actor, I want a meaty, challenging story that she can really pour herself into. That's why I'm like oh yes, it's a western, but what if it's a story of Macbeth and she's playing Macbeth, the Macbeth person, who's like trying to get power, and you know what I mean, and it's set in the old west? You told me that wouldn't hit, it would be interesting. I would watch it. You know like it would be like. I just think that, like there's there's so many stories that are yet to be told, specifically our community, like we need to be able to tell more stories and we need to be free to do more things like how I saw Was it Viola Davis?
Niq:I think it was Viola Davis and she was talking about in college how you play that. You know you have to play all of these quote, unquote, like white roles, like you're doing Shakespeare. You're doing all of these. Like you know. You have to be able to play any character. You know the majority of the characters that you're playing are white, but then when you leave and you go to professional work, you're immediately pigeonholed into Black characters only, and so what I want is for her, for Viola, for Kerry Washington, for all of these Black actors and actresses who are amazing, you know, to be able to play like these diverse roles that are like outside of their blackness, but they can bring their blackness to it, because how can we not, you know, but I want them to just be able to do things outside of their blackness and not be pigeonholed. So, yes, I want to see her do a Western version. Thank you, guys, so much for joining us. Thank you. We hope you enjoyed the conversation and we will see you on the next episode. The next episode Bye.