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I Want More of This!
Ever found yourself caught in the tangled web of friendships and family dynamics?
From complex interplay with Joanne and Rebecca to the heartfelt moments shared with Sasha. Esther provides rich insights into the power of authenticity. Join us as we celebrate the softer side of this fascinating character and ponder the evolution of connections amid the chaos involving the brothers.
The art of event planning takes center stage as we navigate the cultural tapestry of a Bat Mitzvah celebration. With humor as our guide, we recount the spirited debates over dress choices and the delightful, albeit contentious, interventions from Esther and Joanne. Through the lens of Jewish hospitality and the contrasting perspectives of Joanne and Rebecca, we paint a vibrant picture of societal expectations and the joys and stresses of planning such a significant event. It's a charming narrative that balances humor with heartfelt insights into the responsibilities and privileges of being a rabbi's wife.
The spotlight then shifts to the challenges of religious conversion and the potential pitfalls of hidden friendships. As Joanne embarks on her journey towards Judaism, we delve into the pressures and expectations she faces, guided by Rebecca's wisdom and past experiences. Meanwhile, Morgan and Sasha's secretive friendship raises questions about openness and trust, with underlying tensions that could impact their relationships with Esther. Through thoughtful storytelling, we uncover the delicate dance of friendship, identity, and personal growth, leaving us all to wonder how these intricate stories will unfold in future episodes.
Hi guys, thank you for joining us for the next episode. I'm Nick and I'm Jess, and so today we're going to continue our conversation about Nobody Wants this kind of you know talk about them and their relationship to the main characters in the story and maybe um what our hopes and dreams are for season two all right, sounds good.
Speaker 2:What do you?
Speaker 1:what do you want to start? So you, you've professed your love for esther, so we can, we can start from esther and kind of use her as a jumping off point okay, esther is my favorite character and I actually like all the characters, even though they all have different problems.
Speaker 2:But I actually like I can't think of a character in the show I don't like, right. So but I love Esther because I feel like I probably put myself in Esther's position more than anything, like I get where Esther's coming from. There is no reason for Esther to like Joanne. You know what I mean. I love a strong opinionated woman. I think of myself as a strong opinionated woman, so I love to see that on screen and I do like the way that they transition it from making her look like she's just like some shrew to really seeing more of her personality and seeing the way she interacts with her husband a little bit differently, to know that that's okay, that's just kind of them. She's not a bad person, but anyway. So okay, why do I love esther? So this is how this, I think this. This is why I love esther.
Speaker 2:Because if I was in that situation, like, say, you are my best friend, we've known each other since we're like 14, 15 years old, yeah, some weird chance, uh, you were married to and then I was dating your husband's, I would know it would be the other way. You know, if we were involved with brothers, okay and what. The brother broke up with you and then immediately gets with this girl two days later. I ain't never going to like that bitch. Listen, I'm just saying I don't care what is right, I don't care what is right, I don't care what is wrong, I ain't never gonna like that. And so like I'm like it's unrealistic to expect her to like joanne it, is it, it absolutely is it, it is.
Speaker 1:I honestly would love more information on her relationship with Rebecca. I know that they are best friends, but my question is when did they become best friends?
Speaker 2:Were they pre the brothers After the brothers, even though it still don't matter, because their relationship is not, because, even if they met because of the brothers, they have a relationship outside of the brothers.
Speaker 1:I agree. The reason why I say that is because imagine you have a best friend and you introduce her to your husband's brother and then he plays with her for three years. There's even more anger there than if, like, he started dating Rebecca and you knew of Rebecca and then you guys ended up getting closer because now, like you're, you're in relationship with the brothers and you guys become best friends. Like there's a deeper, there's a deeper anger if like their relationship like predated the relationship with Noah, and so it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2:But it does matter, right, right, right yeah, it does, it absolutely does, um, but yeah, either way. And then also, like you know, you're a human being, so like you, really like her, and um rebecca are really close. They really hit it off for whatever reason you know, what I mean. And so now you all are best friends and you see each other like, oh, we are going to be family and then this comes around and messes this up for you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're pissed off and here's the thing not only did he bring a new girl, but he bought a girl who is the opposite of rebecca in every way and and, like joanne, is a little spicy, you know like, and while I enjoy watching it, it makes entertaining Like she's coming into hostile territory and she's coming in with an attitude when you don't know the full truth. You don't know what happened between Noah and Rebecca.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Like so you're coming in with these assumptions because you think that Noah is so wonderful and that he can do no wrong, even when you catch him doing wrong, doing wrong things. Essentially, she comes with an attitude that if people like, don't accept their relationship, it's because they're small-minded and they you know what I'm saying like baby, there's levels. There's levels to this and I, like esther, I do, I do too.
Speaker 2:I'm like, and of course it makes sense regardless of, like I said, whether they met before or after the brothers, they have a relationship. Everybody has a relationship with Rebecca because she's been there for so long. I love how I love Esther, because I love how she interacts with Sasha, like it's really part of their thing. I think they're a good balance for each other. You know, like I like couples that like kind of make up for each other. I like couples that kind of make up for each other's weaknesses. They compliment each other. And I feel like they do compliment each other. And she just seems like I don't know what she does for a living or what she does, but she just seems like she's awesome at whatever she does. I like her.
Speaker 1:And then for me personally, which is just my mental, I like people who are mean to other people. And then for me personally, which is just my, my, my mental. I like people who are mean to other people and nice to me, like I like people who are like more gruff and harsh with people but are soft for me, like right, oh, like she's off for rebecca.
Speaker 2:Sasha.
Speaker 1:Right, yeah, everybody else may see her as this harsh mean person, but Rebecca loves her down and knows her sweetest sides, and so does Sasha, and I like that.
Speaker 1:I like someone who's secretly sweet to me and not sweet to other people and she's ten toes down for both of them. She is, she is, which we'll talk about that later. But, yes, after, does not play about about sasha and I. Sasha is an interesting character and I know he's mainly there for comic relief.
Speaker 1:You know, I feel like towards the end of the like the series, like they tried to like kind of give him more of a storyline, with him trying to go to his dad and kind of get a promotion.
Speaker 1:You know, but like I would honestly I would like to see a little bit more from him, like I I really would like to know, because here's the thing like where he and morgan have in common is that they are seen as the less than sibling and I feel like he uses comedy to hide that but that there's some, there's some real detriment and like real feelings when you feel like you're being compared to your sibling and you don't measure up right. Yeah, and so I would. I would like it if they would explore that a little bit more and, and you know, like kind of give him more depth and like less understand, like how he copes with that, like you know what his plans are, because you very clearly see that morgan does not like it and she's doing things to kind of try to change people's perceptions of her as the less than sibling and I'm like does Sasha have those same feelings?
Speaker 1:Is he doing that? And I also can't. I don't know 100% where Sasha's loyalties lie, in the sense that I know he loves his wife and, at the end of the day, he's not going to do anything to jeopardize his marriage. But I you know what I said. I take that back.
Speaker 2:I hope he won't do anything to jeopardize his marriage. Don't ever, never, man, don't you ever never.
Speaker 1:But my question is but like I don't have a clear understanding of his relationship with noah, the way that I have an understanding of morgan's relationship with joanne, because even when joanne and morgan they fell out for a long period of time and they eventually got back together, like I understand who they are to each other. I'm not sure a hundred percent about sasha and noah's relationship, and not in a sense that they have a bad relationship, but I don't know that they have that built in brother loyalty. You know, it's just I'm not sure. So I would like to get more like I hope that next season like they do more and kind of clarify their relationship more like, maybe on a more emotional level, like you know, does Sasha just want Noah to get some dirt on him because he's tired of the halo that hangs on his head? Or you know, like, really like super loyal, super caring, and he, you know, I don't, I really don't know, because we don't really get to get too much into what Sasha's motivations are.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't think he wants any dirt on his brother. I think he loves his brother. I do feel like they have a good relationship and I do think they have a genuine relationship. I think it's more so. I think he more has an issue of the way he perceives his parents viewing him, but that he has not confronted him, you know, with himself, within himself and with his parents.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean, um, because you, I think, like in that scene where esther kind of pushes him to go talk to his dad, which needed to happen, um, and then he's talking about all the things that he does for the company, and I do like the fact that, even though he's the loser sibling, he's not like a horrible worker, because, you know, sometimes you see that too, he's just coasting through life, or what have you Right? He really had to stand up and prove himself and really think, no, no, no, I'm doing this job, I'm good at this job, I do this job well and explain that to his father. And explain that to his father and I think, maybe I think it's more so he feels like his parents don't see him In the best light, right, the way that they see Noah, more so than him actually having an issue with Noah about it.
Speaker 1:Right, which is weird, though, because it's like Sasha has a career you know what I mean and he's married and he has a child. By all accounts, sasha is further in his life than Noah.
Speaker 2:That's true. You know what I'm saying. It doesn't always make sense who the parent's favorite is.
Speaker 1:Right, he married a good Jewish woman. He did. Who's a part of their community? Really, sasha has, and he's working with his dad in the family business, which a lot of times is very important. Like, honestly, sasha's doing everything that he should be doing but he's still seen and treated almost like a buffoon, you know, yeah, so I would like to see more in season 2 of Sasha.
Speaker 2:I would say I think both the brothers have issues that they need to confront with the parents. You know both of them do, and both of them have an issue of really truly standing up to their parents, which just may be one of those things that makes sense, like definitely when you're dealing with minority communities, like a lot of times, yeah, the parents are the strong, you don't talk back, because there's a few times where Noah starts too and he corrects himself yes, because you know, like there's like that, let me, let me, let me bring this back.
Speaker 1:I think, like, like the Jewish mother, guilt is like a well-known thing that I think everybody knows is that, like Jewish moms make you feel guilty when you don't do the things that they want you to do. I think that's like a well-known kind of cultural thing. So maybe it's that sense that you know he doesn't like to anger, you know he wouldn't want to upset you.
Speaker 2:There's something there to where they don't like to anger us and and I'm sure it's something that is encouraged in the um, in the community like hey, no, you don't talk about your parents, what have you? But at the same time, I think both of them have some boundaries that they need to set. I think you can find find the line to set those boundaries, but still be respectful to your parents and respectful to your culture.
Speaker 1:I agree, sometimes you have to slowly bring your parents into modern times.
Speaker 2:The way in which they have complete control over their daughters. I think it's Bat Mitzvah is what it is for girls. I think that kind of Mitzvah is what it is for a girl, but yeah. So I think like, yeah, that kind of thing. That was a perfect time to say no, because none of them liked it. The only person who liked it was Bina.
Speaker 1:It was really bad, that dress was ugly.
Speaker 2:It was Now when she went after the girl and I was waiting for somebody to rescue her from that dress, and they didn't.
Speaker 1:And when she, when I was waiting to rescue her from that dress and they didn't. And this is the thing like and like on television I have seen, like different, like bar mitzvahs and bat mitzvahs, like they get down, like the decor, the things like the like they'll like. I don't know why those are some of the best parties ever thrown and so like I'm like this is so tacky and they are such a polished family in so many aspects you know what I'm saying. Like I'm just surprised this party is as bad as it is and it wasn't like they were being cheap or no.
Speaker 1:I just didn't like that, it was just I like this is.
Speaker 2:She really wouldn't be. The would not allow any input from anybody else. That's why I think it was terrible.
Speaker 1:Yeah, maybe that would have hit in the 50s when she had her bot mincemeat.
Speaker 2:Right, I'm like this is boring. Are they in California?
Speaker 1:No, where are they? Oh, wait a minute. You said California and I said no, and it's because I was. My answer is LA, but LA is in California.
Speaker 2:Yes, I'm like so, and then we're doing a New York theme.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that is, I didn't think about that. That is weird, because the only reason why I know that they're like in the LA area is because they somebody said something about Wilshire and Like in the LA areas because somebody said something about Wilshire and I think that's like a famous street in LA. Yeah, so, yeah, there's so many different things that she could have did. Esther did cut that dress up and make it look cute and I was very happy that Esther cut it up because I was very scared that Joanne was going to cut the dress and I'm like, please, joanne, don't do it.
Speaker 2:This is where you need to sit down somewhere.
Speaker 1:Exactly Mind your business, mind your business. So I was very thankful that Joanne did not cut that dress.
Speaker 2:Me too. I was scared she was going to cut it too, and I was like girl no, you ain't never going to live that one down.
Speaker 1:No, talk about overstepping your boundaries and not staying in your lane. Yeah, already. Her talk about overstepping your boundaries and not staying in your lane, yeah, already. Like her and her sister at that party was hilarious to me. They were having a good time and I love that. Like I love that they were having a ball, a ball. I also love the fact that est Esther uninvited her to the party. She was like no, I'm coming, it's too late, I'm coming. That is that to me. That was funny too. It was hilarious. It was hilarious. And so, oh, how did you? She had to come. So bad already from the first time they mentioned it, the way she was dropping those hints. And the funny thing is because I honestly feel like that like, like jewish people are like more hospitable, like they're more, like they have a hospitable culture. So the fact that she mentioned going and they did not invite her is kind of hilarious, because I feel like in any other like circumstances, if she had been anybody else, it's literally if she had been anybody else.
Speaker 2:Right, it was like yes come.
Speaker 1:Yes, even if she was not jewish, if she was just like I feel, like a woman. They met in the grocery store, yeah, and she mentioned it they would have invited her and they were not going to invite her to this party and I was cracking up about that. I, I thought that was so hilarious. But how did you feel about joanne and rebecca's? I know we're jumping around, but how did you feel about Joanne and Rebecca's? I know we're jumping around, but how did you feel about Joanne and Rebecca's interaction, like when they had the conversation you know, and about the responsibility of like being the wife of the rabbi, and and Rebecca was like Joanne's like oh it's a pressure, and Rebecca's like it's a good pressure. You know, how did you feel about that conversation?
Speaker 2:I'm honestly struggling to remember it honestly. So Rebecca was saying it's a good pressure and Joanne is like it's a lot of weight and a lot of responsibility.
Speaker 1:Right. So basically, like Joanne was talking about how she's going to convert to judaism, you know, and basically rebecca was trying to explain her, like, if you are like the wife of the rabbi, you like you're almost like the mother of the congregation, everybody's going to look towards you and what you like you said how joanne doesn't think of herself as a good enough person and she's like oh, that's a lot of pressure. And Rebecca was like see, you don't even understand what you're really getting into, because yes, it's pressure, but it's good pressure. You should want it, you know and I'm just like.
Speaker 1:That was an interesting conversation for me because one I I like the fact that her and Rebecca were able to talk and not be catty. Yeah, I do Agreed fact that her and Rebecca were able to talk and not be catty yeah, I do agree. Also, you can still really see how hurt Rebecca is. And my question like I've heard other people have commentary and say that Rebecca did not really love Noah, but she just wanted that life and wanted I I also don't. I don't think.
Speaker 2:I do think she also was down for that life and, quite honestly, she is built for that life in every way. She is In every way. I don't know if they have a name for that term, because in church she would have been the first lady. I don't know if there's actually a name for her role, but she was built for that and she would have killed it Right Because of her culture right, you know what I'm saying yeah, I don't think it's the entirety, though.
Speaker 2:She loved she, she loved noah, she really did, and that can happen things can be uneven, like you can be really in love with a person and that person not have the strength, the same strength of feelings for you, right? And so I know. I think she absolutely loved him, I think she's, and that's the same strength of feelings for you, right, and so, no, I think she absolutely loved him, I think she's, and that's the other thing. With a breakup too, like you are, you're really mourning different parts of that loss. You're mourning that person, you're mourning the life that she imagined with him, and part of that life that she imagined with him was being a wife of a rabbi and being a leader in her church, and she would have been excellent at it.
Speaker 1:She would, because think about this right. Noah wanted to be a rabbi. He wanted to be a head rabbi. You know that he shared that dream with Rebecca.
Speaker 1:You know it is yeah, and Rebecca is like, like we said, she's locked into the community and she's got all these amazing characteristics. Of course, if she loves Noah, she's going to also buy into that. Okay, he's going to become head rabbi. What are my responsibilities as the wife of the head rabbi? So she's literally been preparing herself for this role, and so I agree with you, it's like another death, it's like another breakup, because you've invested so much time and energy All the while while he was not investing in her the way that she was investing in him. And so, like I, I think that that conversation with rebecca needed to be had, because I don't think that joanne understood the gravity of the role that she was stepping into and she didn't.
Speaker 2:And if you did not grow up in any type of organized religion, then, yeah, you don't understand't understand what those positions mean and how important you are within that place in the community, and she wasn't getting the weight of it and she was definitely thinking of it as how it would affect her and not necessarily how it affects the community, because then now you've got this person in this position who really doesn't fully understand that culture in that way.
Speaker 1:Because also, like let's just be realistic Like her and her sister have a like semi raunchy podcast, which on itself, is not an issue. I don't have an issue with that. I would probably listen to it. You know what I'm saying, but is that something that the wife of the rabbi should be doing? Yeah, you know what I'm saying, but is that something that the wife of the rabbi should be doing? Yeah, you know what I'm saying, oh God.
Speaker 2:That scares me for the upcoming seasons, because I'm like, because then I also don't want her to have to give up parts of herself to be with this man.
Speaker 1:Right, exactly. But then one of the things that Morgan was saying is that, like Joanne was changing even when it came to the podcast, the podcast was less interesting because Joanne was changing already, changing who she was, what she was willing to talk about, what she was willing to share and things like that. I don't think that Noah did a good enough job once again of explaining the life that he already was working towards to Joanne and what that would mean for her being involved with him, and it took Rebecca to make Joanne understand that this is not a joke, this is serious, and I don't think that Joanne took Judaism as a joke or not serious.
Speaker 2:She doesn't know what she doesn't know.
Speaker 1:Right, she was exploring religion. She doesn't understand the full context and she was learning different things and she was finding, you know, different things in the religion for herself. But, right, she had not gotten out of her own personal bubble with her relationship to Judaism, not understanding that you're stepping into a role, of position, you know, a role that will have a spotlight on you, a role that's going to have certain, like expectations, you know, and I don't feel like he prepared her at all to even consider that once she agreed to convert.
Speaker 2:Her conversion is about him, so that it his life in um acceptable and what he wants acceptable right.
Speaker 1:I hope that that comes up. I know I keep saying season two because I just feel like they dropped a lot of seeds.
Speaker 1:They dropped a lot of seeds and I just hope I really hope that there is a beautiful harvest in season two, because there is a lot me, a lot. I like. I'm hopeful. Please don't water this second season down, please don't like, please like. Push it forward. Like. I want to see morgan. We haven't talked about morgan yet. Morgan is my favorite character. I enjoy morgan, I, I love her like. I think what makes her interesting in like a little bit different is because, like the, the raunchy sidekick is not like a new rom-com trope. But I, what I like about Morgan, one like she's divorced, you know what I mean. So she's been married. She tried it for whatever reason, it did not work.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean yeah, right, you know.
Speaker 1:So, like she's, she's matured and sexually like, free she's, you know so. She's not like hung up on her, her marriage not working out, and she's also in the process of bettering herself. She does not like the way that others view her and she does not like the fact that her, like her sister, is seen as the one in control of their podcast and in their future, and so she's trying to find ways to differentiate herself, to step up, you know. And so I, I, I like her. She's more than just like sex jokes. Yeah, oh, I, I, I enjoy her. I like the fact that she looks out for her sister, even when her sister doesn't like it. You know, because that is the big thing when you are a sister, yeah, you know what I mean. Like you, sometimes you have to look out for your sibling, even when they are not willing to look out for themselves, and she's a good sister agreed, agreed.
Speaker 2:She's absolutely good, and you have to tell them about themselves, even when they don't want to hear it.
Speaker 1:I love that. Her character has depth and dimension and she's not, like I said, just a grungy. She's funny, though she has personality. She has her own personality. She's not a clone of her sister you can tell that they are very much sisters but she has her own perspective, her own way of doing things. So I I love morgan. The only thing that I don't like about morgan is her secret friendship with sasha. I don't like it, I, I, I don't like it. And I understand how it got there, because they are the second class sibling. You know what I mean. I understand, but my issue is the secrecy of it.
Speaker 2:That's my issue too.
Speaker 1:It leaves space for problems, misunderstandings and complications, and I hate it.
Speaker 2:So I like their friendship. But I don't like the secrecy, you know, and so I like that. I see the way that they bonded. Same thing. I completely agree with you why they bonded and why they are. They kind of have a friend chemistry. I hope it stays a friend chemistry. I do not want them to have an affair because then again you know. You know where my loyalties lie. They're so tight. You know what I mean For both of them.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean. You know, that's what I'm talking about. She had a sex dream about him.
Speaker 2:She did. But sex dreams just mean you want to be closer to someone. They don't necessarily mean like sex. So that's why it didn't bother me either, because like there was a like, there's a to me. I see a friend chemistry between the two of them. I don't see a romantic chemistry between the two of them. I think the secrecy is the problem that might lead to that. But like just a sex scene in and of itself, a sex dream in and of itself, all that means is that you want to be closer to that person.
Speaker 1:They don't necessarily mean that you want to have sex with that person and see, but I just feel like what could be a friendship with no problems if it was out in the open for secrecy, I feel like, is what would lead to sex.
Speaker 2:I agree with you, I completely agree with the secrecy, but it's also Sasha is the one that's married. You need to see if your wife is comfortable with you being friends with her. She ain't going to be.
Speaker 1:She's not he knows that she's not going to be quite. He's the reason why it's a secret. Yeah, you know what I'm saying and I just think that that I don't. I don't because this is the thing. I know that sasha loves his wife you know what I mean and I love his relationship with esther and I'm like why are we even jeopardizing that? You know what I mean. Just like be a, be a friend to her out in the open and right, talk to your wife and be like hey, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Just like be a, be a friend to her out in the open and right talk to your wife and and be like hey, you know, like we're friends, we're cool, do you have a problem with that? Invite her to spend time with the two of you or what have you something? Make the group chat, make it. Make you know what I mean. Like you know, I, I honestly, truly, I, I, I would, I, I do, I like their friendship because I think like they kind of need each other and understand each other in a way that there's nobody else to understand them. But what was I going to say? I kind of lost my point there.
Speaker 1:I just feel like if your wife doesn't can't know that y'all are texting, y'all should not be texting.
Speaker 2:Right, but that's what I was going to say, so it still needs Esther's approval. If Esther is cool with it, then hey, there's no issue. If she's uncool with it, even I don't care how good a friend y'all could potentially be, it's a problem Because you would want the same respect from her, right.
Speaker 1:I agree, I 100% agree. Right, I agree, I 100 agree. So yeah, that, that that particular plot point, irritates me to my soul because I'm like, if you let anything happen between the two of them, I will be so pissed yeah, yeah, I'm just like please don't let it develop into an affair, please don't let it go into an affair.
Speaker 2:I know nobody. Nobody wants that nobody.
Speaker 1:Nobody wants that. Honestly, if you look at the overall story, how does that help the overall story? No like it just is going to create even more chaos and break the family apart even more.
Speaker 1:So I really just I'm like, please, god, don't, let's not do this, because, like then, like, not only I don't think bina can handle two shiks not only that it's like, but I, because my thing is it's like how would joanne ever have a good relationship with esther, even if, like, esther is thawing slightly and maybe, as Rebecca heals more and more, esther will be more open to having a relationship with Joanne. But if Joanne's sister is sexting her husband, it's over. It'll never happen. It'll never. That irritates me yeah. That irritates me and I like Morgan and I like Sasha. That's why I'm like get off that damn phone Right.
Speaker 2:Well, get off and hide in it. Ask her, she's going to tell you what she thinks for real.
Speaker 1:But also, once again, remember I talked about Sasha's loyalty. He was spilling information that he was getting from the two women's what, like I don't know where his loyalty lies and they. We need to clarify that.
Speaker 2:Like, yeah, because I'm like, at the same time, when it's a different weight, when your wife asks you to keep a secret, then somebody you don't know, these people now did. I want them to find out, because their argument was like it was. It was frustrating me because I'm like y'all arguing over nothing, because this ain't even real. But so I'm like I wanted them to find out that Rebecca lied. I don't fault Rebecca for lying. I don't fault Rebecca for lying. I'm not mad at her for lying at all, right, but I didn't want them to find out so that they could get over it and they can get past it, get back to being sisters. But, um, it didn't. Uh, sasha being the vehicle, I'm like you're in trouble.
Speaker 2:You about to really get in trouble also.
Speaker 1:This is what I I did not understand and like. Once again, they are. They are sisters, right, and they have a great relationship. Why would you think that she was lying, right, right? That that I did not understand I.
Speaker 2:She wanted to believe that she didn't see the other option. She wanted to believe noah was telling the truth.
Speaker 1:So bad that, yeah, and I'm like girl like, even if you wanted to believe that Noah was telling the truth, okay, but you know your sister's not going to lie to you. There is another person in the situation you know what I'm saying who actually, it makes sense for her to be lying. That's what I did not understand. I'm like why?
Speaker 2:It doesn't make sense for her to be lying understand.
Speaker 1:I'm like it doesn't make sense for her to be lying. Why would you, why does it have to be oh noah's line or my sister's line, when there's literally a third party in there who's like, actually like the spurned, motivated to laugh so that I didn't understand? I, I did, I did not understand, and so, but once again it goes to jo Joanne, willing to put everything on the line when it comes to Noah after 32.5 seconds.
Speaker 2:Right, you ready to risk it all, and your relationship with your sister is not one that you need to lose.
Speaker 1:He is not, noah is not really and I know he made that grand gesture I said Noah is not really ready to risk it all. I know he made that grand gesture at the end but not really ready to risk it all. I know he made that grand gesture at the end, but we all know that that was a lie.
Speaker 1:I didn't believe you when you said it. So look at the entire season. Noah is not really ready to risk it all and he has embarrassed you. You know what I mean so many times, girl, don't throw away your sister. Your sister is going to be your sister, regardless, absolutely, completely. I'm a Morgan fan. I enjoy Sasha I do. What do you think about Esther's relationship with Bina, who is Noah and Sasha's mom?
Speaker 2:Oh, I think it took me. I didn't realize until kind of the end or not the end, but I didn't. I have to feel like I was kind of far along in the season before I realized that oh, bina is mean to her too, like she's very controlling over her as well. That would be a problem for me. I think that's that is an issue Like you still don't have. And their child is old, like 12 or 13.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think, if she's having botanists, but she's, yeah, she's turning 13, then that means right, I believe so.
Speaker 2:13 years she's been in the family and you still treating her like this? Absolutely not, and but you know what? What I think is, sasha needs to address that, agreed, agreed.
Speaker 1:You need to address your parents. Is that a cultural thing where there's an expectation, you know, of that relationship? I don't know because I, once again, not my culture, but I don't care at this point, this is the one I don't care.
Speaker 2:You married, you buried esther, you going home to esther at night and you let her mom, your mom, talk to her. Cash crazy. This is where I say, like sometimes the brothers are just so freaking passive, both of them, um, and so they just let their mama run it and and you let her be mean to your wife, and you have, you all have been. I don't know how long they've been together, but you have a 13 year old, so it's been a long time right, and your mom is still being mean to her. And what else could she do? Like, again, part of the community does what you know.
Speaker 2:I mean, what are you upset about? So that you just want somebody to be mean to and guess who is not going to be? For me it'd be like it's not going to be my wife. You better find, get a dog to kick, but guess, guess who it's not going to be. And and I think if anything like character flaws with the two guys is them not doing that. And and even when noah starts to do that, where he's like that's enough, mama, he says something, he then quickly pulls it back. And how long you do that, and why should the women in your life have to put up with that?
Speaker 1:right, and Joanne is not going to put up with that she's not now.
Speaker 2:That's why, after the prosciutto incident and she's like using it to blackmail Bina, it's kind of funny to me. It is hilarious, especially when she's like using it to blackmail.
Speaker 1:It's kind of funny to me it is hilarious, especially when she's like yeah, I dug in the trash like a raccoon. Like I told you, I loved that scene. I did it was I felt like it was wrong, it was wrong and I felt like I should not have been watching. Did I felt like it was wrong, it was wrong and I felt like I should not have been watching it, but I was dying. It was hilarious, it was. But I honestly would have loved to see how Joanne would have actually handled that situation without the prosciutto thing. Without the prosciutto situation, how would she have actually confronted her, don't know her gotten the upper hand, gotten her respect, like, yes, they found a comedic way to kind of diffuse her.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know what I mean. But like I would have loved to see, because once again joanne's coming from outside the culture, she doesn't have those hang-ups we got time for that later. I love the blackmail it was hope, because I'm like you know because. But then you get a million questions. Has she eaten prosciutto before? Does she always eat out the trash like what?
Speaker 2:not that she always had a trash, but she definitely has eaten prosciutto before. That was not her first time with prosciutto. She wasn't just like, oh, I got to try it because if, if she was, I think like she would be like just put it up for her to take back home Because she was going to get it anyway. But no, no, no. She was like, oh, that prosciutto in there.
Speaker 1:It made me crave a charcuterie board.
Speaker 2:Girl, me too, because that thing I'm like oh, please give it to me. Do you have a charcuterie restaurant in your town? We got in your town, we got, we got someone who makes them because, like, I've been at an event where they did some individual, um, charcuterie boys for people, um, so yeah, yeah, but I don't know who that person is. Oh, I do. I need to find out before you can well, okay.
Speaker 1:So let me just throw this out here and I know I'm getting off topic, but I would love either if you can find a place where we can do afternoon tea afternoon tea, because that's also something that I've wanted to do or, you know, we've had charcuterie parties before, but I'm never afraid of a charcuterie board there's a.
Speaker 2:I know that there is a class here, a charcuterie board class here. I'll look that up. That would be amazing. Okay, we can get your sister to the charcuterie. Your sister's already come. We can get her to the charcuterie class. I don't know how we're going to get her back to afternoon tea after the first time. She already feel like we got her the first time we took her to a tea.
Speaker 1:I don't know, but if not, the next time you come visit me, we're going to do. We're doing that to your round town.
Speaker 2:Next time I step foot in ATL, we are doing to your round town regardless.
Speaker 1:I just the other day. We were downtown and the to your round town bus drove past us and I'm like that should be me Listen.
Speaker 2:I have been wanting to do that since I just saw it. Somebody posted of them doing it in London, yes, and I was like, okay, no, I will go. And then I'm like, oh, and then they brought it to Atlanta.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:Atlanta Girl yes.
Speaker 1:So yes, I already decided Okay, very excited, very, very excited. Okay, I'm sorry, we've gotten off topic, but I think we actually did cover everybody.
Speaker 2:Who did we not talk about? We?
Speaker 1:kind of talked about her parents. We addressed her parents in a previous episode. Is there more that you wanted to talk about?
Speaker 2:With her parents. I'll say again I just think I feel like the mom needs a little bit more love and kindness, needs a little tenderness Somebody somebody.
Speaker 1:She's going through it and she needs help, she needs a relationship, and I know that and I and I and I and I. The reason why I say that it's not because everybody should be paired up, but she deserves to be loved and she has not really really been loved and so I would love that for her, I agree she needs to heal first, though, because if she takes all that energy into um, you know, all that, that unresolved stuff with her, with her ex-husband, into a new relationship, is not not realistically going to work.
Speaker 2:She needs to heal first. She needs to, and I mean that's another thing that they can explore. Her like she's because she's grasping it for something too. She's trying all these different things because she's trying to find something that heals that hurt and her finally finding whatever that thing is and and healing and then getting into a relationship. Yes, um, I'm all for it, but right now I need y'all to hug your mama somebody.
Speaker 1:Morgan joanne do you think that noah would have feelings about like rebecca dating somebody else? No, the reason why I said that is because you remember when Noah was counseling the couple and he was talking about how him and Rebecca broke up and they were talking about how amazing Rebecca was and how it would be so easy for her to find someone. And he's just looking kind of crazy. It's not necessarily that he wants Rebecca, but I could see him having a little bit of jealousy.
Speaker 2:I don't think so. You know what I think that was Is them thinking that she's better than him. That was the issue.
Speaker 1:But what if she dates someone who's considered better than Noah?
Speaker 2:Then he might have an issue, but like, that issue wasn't a like oh, I'm jealous of that, it was. I'm jealous of how highly you all think of Rebecca and that it's very clear that you think that she was too good for me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I guess I should have prefaced that with.
Speaker 2:if Rebecca finds somebody like amazing I feel like then I can see him, but I don't. I don't think he ever loved her.
Speaker 1:I don't, oh, I don't think so either, but that has never stopped people from being irrationally jealous no, it hasn't. That's true, but that has never stopped people from being irrationally jealous?
Speaker 2:No, it hasn't, that's true.
Speaker 1:So what if you could choose one storyline guaranteed to be in season two? What would it be?
Speaker 2:Oh, definitely her having a love story with Judaism and really getting to know it and choosing it for herself and not just out of him. That I really want to see, need to see, and I mean honestly that can come as it doesn't have to be resolved in season two, but it could, you know, really deepen in season two. We could see it throughout more seasons, or what have you, however long the show goes, but like that I want to see.
Speaker 1:I would love to see like someone call Noah to task about him being a bad person and being selfish and self-centered, and I would like to see him grow from there, because he's not irredeemable, he's a great person. But like that needs to be addressed because, like I said, it wasn't just Rebecca, like I feel like Joanne is also getting mistreated and manipulated.
Speaker 2:you, you know, into fitting into the life that he has pictured for himself. I agree I would like to see both of the brothers find a way to get a backbone and set some boundaries with their parents. I definitely want to see Sasha stand up for Esther. It's no question that if there was a situation where Esther needed to stand up for Sasha, that she would. I need you to come through for her.
Speaker 1:I would love to see Morgan date multiple guys and actually develop feelings for multiple guys and have to navigate, have a little love triangle. I think that would be interesting because a lot of times it seems like post-divorce things. She's kept things kind of light and and sexy and fun, but I want to see like I want to see her get like swept up in emotion. But I think it would be interesting if there's like more than one guy and she's like I want to be in a serious relationship with both of them. I have to figure out how to choose and who to choose. I think that would be interesting. Yeah, I can see that I'm down. There's a lot. I hope this show gets renewed.
Speaker 1:This show is really, really good. They've created a lot of opportunities for these characters We'll see.
Speaker 2:Yes, I can't wait. I definitely want more of this. I'm ready for season two. Hate that I can't wait. No, definitely, I definitely want more of this. I'm ready for season two. Hate that I'm gonna have to wait. But yeah, there's a lot of directions to go and I'm excited about it.
Speaker 1:Absolutely Well, guys, I hope you enjoyed our talk about. Nobody Wants this. This was the last episode for that.
Speaker 2:And we'll see you on the next episode. See you in the next episode. Bye.