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F* Kevin
What if the world of sitcoms isn't as lighthearted as it appears? Join us for a deep exploration into the groundbreaking narrative of "Kevin Can F Himself," where traditional sitcom elements meet intense drama to expose the complexities of a toxic relationship. We dissect how the show's unique storytelling reveals the harsh realities faced by Allison as she navigates a suffocating marriage with Kevin. Through our discussion, you'll gain a new perspective on how sitcom frameworks often mask underlying abuse, making it difficult to recognize and escape.
Unraveling the intricate dynamics between Kevin, Neil, and Allison, we spotlight Kevin's manipulative behavior and his unhealthy bond with Neil, further complicated by financial and familial ties. A chili cook-off incident becomes a pivotal moment, shedding light on the subtle power plays and manipulations within these relationships. Our conversation reveals the hidden layers of abuse camouflaged within comedic contexts and examines how Neil, tethered by dependency, remains entangled in this toxic environment.
We also explore character motivations and generational differences, contrasting Kevin's lack of backstory with the richly developed backgrounds of Allison, Patty, Neil, and Diane. This gap in character development offers insights into societal influences and the potential for history to repeat itself. Through Annie Murphy's remarkable transition from her iconic role in "Schitt's Creek" to "Kevin Can F Himself," we highlight a scene that peels back the show's deeper layers, promising an engaging and emotional journey for viewers. Prepare to be captivated by the emotional depth and empathetic storytelling that makes this series a must-watch.
Hi, I'm Nick and I'm Jess. Welcome to next episode. And today we're talking about Kevin Can F Himself. So Kevin Can F Himself was originally on AMC. Recently it came to Netflix and that's when I discovered it and I first watched it. I don't know how I missed it when it originally came out, but I'm excited that I found it. Jess, can you give us like a synopsis of the show? Sure?
Speaker 2:So Kevin Keneffel itself is centered in Worcester Massachusetts, I believe, and it's about this couple, kevin and Allison, primarily focusing on Allison and her story through this relationship. But it's told in a very interesting way. So it's told through two different genres. We see it both through a comedy and also through a drama, to kind of tell the story of how Allison gets fed up with her relationship and what she decides to do about it.
Speaker 1:So the split genre, where they have, like, the sitcom portion of the show and the drama portion of the show, what do you feel like brings to the episodes?
Speaker 2:I think it gives it a lot of depth to the episode. I know we partially disagree on how you know what the purpose of it. So I do I kind of see it as the drama shows her side, her perspective, and the sitcom shows his perspective, between the two, and so what I think that adds is just how people can see the same situation differently. It adds a lot of depth when it switches from the sitcom to the genre, you feel kind of the weight of his action. So in the sitcom portion of it like it's a tradition, very traditional sitcom, you know you have the guy with the hot wife and he does all these crazy antics and she just kind of has to clean up after him or fix it for him. What have you? But when it switches over to the genre you really see the weight of what he does and how that affects her of what he does and how that affects her.
Speaker 1:I agree, for me when I look at the sitcom aspect of the show, to me it feels like what relationships that are toxic in real life can look like at a distance. You know people at a distance, you know who aren't married to Kevin. They see him as like, oh, he's just like this fun guy who's always doing crazy and wacky stuff and he drinks a lot and you never know what he's going to do and he speaks his mind. But living with someone who in reality only cares about themselves is completely hedonistic. You know, like that's not who you want as a partner. You know he's extremely selfish, extremely self-centered and it the sitcom kind of glazes over those things. But when you switch to the drama you really get to see that this woman is in a highly abusive marriage absolutely and has been for a long time.
Speaker 1:At this point in the story they've been married 10 years, I think, together 15. So she's been in this situation for a long time. So what do you think the show is trying to say?
Speaker 2:um, I, I think it is really shedding a light on yeah, I agree like how domestic violence can look like from the outside, how a toxic relationship can look like from the outside and the effects that it has on the person in the relationship, and also just how hard it is it can be to get out, like I think for me one of the big messages is that, even though like okay, I don't know if we're going too far, but I'll say okay.
Speaker 2:So you know, pretty early in the show she kind of decides okay, I got to get out of this situation. And her first jump I don't know if I could just you want me to just go into it? Yeah, absolutely. She jumps right to murder. She jumps right to murder. She jumps right to like okay, and from the show's perspective, she jumps right to I've got to kill him. And I think part of the show's perspective and doing it the way that they do it is to see, like, how hard it is for her to see a way out. You know, because of course it's easy to say just leave. You know you could just leave, just walk away or what have you and I'm not saying the right answers to kill him, I don't think the right answer is to kill him, but at the same time you really get to see how she does not see any other options right and she says things like that directly.
Speaker 1:She'll someone says just leave him and he'll say what. She'll say what, like it's easy, he'll find me. I don't have my own money, money. Whenever I've tried to better myself with a better job or school, he's sabotaged me, and so she really, really shows what it's like for someone in that situation.
Speaker 1:I think there's a statistics that oftentimes it takes a person who's being abused seven times to leave, and I think that's for a variety of reasons. There could be a lot of financial abuse A lot of times. The most dangerous time for someone is when they decide to leave a relationship, so there's a lot of retaliation, but also sometimes you get so used to dysfunction, it feels functional and you don't know how to exist outside of it. So there are, I think, a lot of reasons why people struggle to leave, and I think for Allison, I think she's at the point where she's like the only way that I can live is if he's not here at all, which sounds crazy to me, as I sit safe where I am. You know what I mean, and so I try not to judge her. You know for her feelings, because, as crazy as it sounds, she's not in a safe place and she's fighting for survival, so how can I tell her how to fight?
Speaker 1:You know, yeah, and then I agree with you. Oh, I'm sorry, I was going to say I do love the way this show the genre bending the genre. I guess I should call it genre blending. You know, it was so innovative and it was such a great way to tell a story and it does draw you in and make you very emotional. You feel her frustration, you feel her fear. You know what I mean. And so they did an amazing job.
Speaker 2:No, I do. I do think that they did an amazing job. And, yeah, the moving back and forth between the different genres definitely adds so much depth to the story, even like the lighting changes, like seeing like how dark it gets when it's in the drama and like how dirty the house looks Like everybody's houses look super different from the sitcom to the drama but also just like how she sees. So I'm like this is how she sees her reality versus how Kevin sees his reality, where you know everything's fine, they live in a dilapidated house that, like you know, that's roach infested, that has all these issues, and he doesn't see it like that at all.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So yeah, I do think it adds a lot to it. And so I kind of want to get into Kevin specifically as a character, because he is classic sitcom husband. But once you take away the bright lights and the laugh track, he's scary. He drinks constantly, he disparages his wife every chance he gets, but he does it as a joke. What I'm saying? His character in a normal world he seems like an irredeemable person, but you put a laugh track behind the things that he does and the things that he says and somehow they become socially acceptable.
Speaker 2:Right, and when you asked me before about what I think the show is trying to say, that's the other thing that I think. I think it's trying to say a lot of things, but that also the sitcom, the traditional sitcom husband that we know is problematic and and it's iteration because he he's it's so crazy, because it's so obvious when you look at it in this format that he is clearly a narcissist, that he is, you know, that he's abusive and that there's a problem. But, and that there's a problem, but when you look at, like, the stuff that he does in the sitcom world, there's not very many sitcom husbands that you can't see doing either that or did exactly the same things or close to the same things. You know what I mean. So how problematic that whole trope is. I think it also draws a lot of attention to that as well.
Speaker 1:It really does and it has you like kind of going back through like your life and the shows that you enjoyed, that like were near and dear and you're like, was I cosigning on abuse this entire time? You know, like it makes you like really consider, like what was the purpose of sitcoms, sitcoms, what internal messaging were we really getting all of these years? Because even today most sitcoms still follow the formulas. There are some that are a bit more experimental, but they still create traditional sitcoms right now, right With the goofy, lovable husband who just doesn't know any better, but really he makes everyone in service to him, absolutely. What I thought was interesting is they don't give Kevin to me as much of a backstory as Allison. You get little bits of information. You find out his mom is a nun and his dad was a priest, but they don't explain that at all.
Speaker 2:No, because they tell that story in a sitcom part. Well, I mean, I felt like it was enough backstory for me, like in the sense of like and I think we talked about this before like where he's he's clearly a narcissist. His father is potentially also a narcissist. His father was a Catholic priest who got his mom pregnant while they were um, I don't know what he called them where Catholics go. You know, they were both in service and they make a joke and he said I couldn't, or I got into the habit or something like that which you know like a nun's habit, and I was like, yeah, and that joke made me uncomfortable I don't think it was supposed to because I was like, how consensual was the situation? I mean, you know, we know that Kevin's mom died. Were they ever together afterwards? Did they both leave?
Speaker 1:Right, that's what I'm saying they don't really give him. You don't really know about how he grew up when his mom died, how she died, if that really affected him, how he felt about his mom, because when it comes to his dad, he likes his dad as long as his dad is kind of serving a purpose, he's going along with his antics, he's giving him what he wants, but he doesn't really want his dad to have agency or individual happiness. So it's like he really doesn't really care about his dad in a very real sense. I wonder how he felt about his mom and I just like, I'm just like, oh, that's information I will never have. I don't know.
Speaker 1:You know what's going on Like, because when it comes to Alison, we learn about her relationship with her mom, we learn about her relationship with her dad and even some of the other characters, like Patty and Neil Neil is Kevin's best friend and Patty is Neil's sister we learn about their childhood, we learn about their mom and their dad and how they felt about that situation. But I just think it's really interesting when it comes to Kevin, we don't quite have all of that information, all of that information.
Speaker 1:But if his dad was a predator to a certain extent it would explain why he's a predator and I'm like.
Speaker 2:So I don't think we get details about his story or his childhood, but I think, you see, you can get glimpses of how his father raised him Because, like, even like in situations where he's kind of bothered the dad or done something or said something to the dad, the dad has a real hard time chastising him.
Speaker 2:Like there's a scene where they are during the blackout scene and they're all in the diner and then they finally all get mad at him because he's accused somebody of stealing the generator and of course the generator's there the whole time. And he went through this whole dramatic thing, like he was interrogating every single person. The dad learns that he stole his girlfriend's um hearing aid and then at the end every other character is confronting him and the dad is trying to confront him, but he's stuttered, like he's like he can't quite get the words out. So whether or not his dad was narcissistic, I don't know. He could be, could be not, but he definitely was very enabling to get. Like he, you could. He never corrected him and even at the end, when he finally was like okay, I'm done with you too, he just left.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he did, I'm just not dealing with you. And he said I'm not going to give you the address of where I'm moving to.
Speaker 2:Right, it's your only child, and while I get it because Kevin is toxic, but yeah, yeah, that is kind of strong.
Speaker 1:Do we have any sympathies for Kevin? I don't, but do you have any sympathies for him?
Speaker 2:No, I really don't. I really don't. He doesn't have any redeeming qualities. You know, like even it really bothered me His relationship with everybody. But his relationship with Neil really bothered me Because, like it showed me glimpses, even the moment where you know Neil pretty much goes, which is Neil is his best friend, he goes along with pretty much everything that Kevin wants to do. So in the few times where either Neil can't be there or just doesn't want to go along with it, the cruelty that you see from Kevin with Neil is immediate and I'm like this is your true ride or die, more so than even Allison.
Speaker 1:Neil loves Kevin in a way that I don't understand. He's his know, he's his best friend and we're best friends and we've been best friends since I was 14. A long long time. But there's something just, their friendship is really toxic. It's extremely one sided. You know, basically, somehow Neil's like friendship with Kevin just makes him almost like a servant. You know, like anytime Neil tries to have anything for himself, Kevin wants to take it away. Even when they were making the chili together and Neil just wanted like to feel like he was a part, an equal part of it, Kevin's like no, how dare you think that you're on the same level that I am? And I don't understand why Neal stays.
Speaker 2:Because I do think Neal's codependent and I also think okay. So a few things. One about the Chili situation, which I don't want to get too far off on this, but Allison set that up. I don't know if you caught that. Allison set that up for them to break up. Yes, she poked and prodded that situation like she was just saying oh, is it really your chili, or is it like she started that whole argument?
Speaker 2:oh, I missed that and I've watched that show several times and that kind of like like made me think about like how, like she, sometimes you and I don't mean this derogatory, because I'm not victim blaming but like how sometimes you participate in that cycle of abuse, because once she kind of pokes with him and um neil about um and gets them to argue about whose chili it is, then of course it falls on her, it's now her responsibility, and then she's like's like, oh God, but I'm like, but you sat there and you twisted that knife a couple of times and you saw where it was going and you kept twisting, but anyway- Now let me ask you do you think that she did that because, for once, she wanted to feel like she was the one punishing, versus getting punished?
Speaker 1:Because Kevin treats her terribly? He talks down to her all the time and he also allows everybody else his father, his best friend, his best friend's sister they are all allowed to talk, you know, down to Allison, to like, insult her, and he never says anything. He joins in, you know, he makes her the butt of all the jokes. He has no respect for her and they don't have respect for her. So do you think that she just wanted to like, maybe feel like she had a little bit of power?
Speaker 2:I don't know. I don't know if she wanted to feel like she had a little bit of power, but I, I just I feel like she set that situation up and to me I'm like it's obvious that it's gonna follow you as soon as they they're off, but she wouldn't let go of it, even seeing where it was going. So I don't know. And then, once it falls down, what struck me is, once it kind of fell down, him and Neil are fighting and now Kevin has roped you in. Then she wants to be like oh, what was me? But I'm like, but you clearly created that situation, that particular one, not all of them, but that particular one. Because, like you want a break from Kevin, let them do the chili, let them do what they do and walk out and you get a break. You know what I mean. They're tied up for several hours.
Speaker 1:One thing I liked about the show was I feel like they showed all the aspects of abuse, but they did it in ways that were very subtle. So, for example, example, when he would insult her you, it's always in the sitcom realm. So there's a laugh track and it's just oh, I'm just joking, I'm just joking, you know. And then you know he they talk about his obsession with sports memorabilia and how he spends so much money on it that you know he blew through their savings and she never has any money, but he always has money to buy whatever he wants, you know. So it's like oh, that's clearly financial abuse, you know. And then like the way that she keeps getting hurt in the show, you know, but they frame it as oops, he didn't mean to oops, it was an accident. But it shows one that abuse is more than one thing. It's more than just getting hit, but it also shows how someone can be abused right in front of you and you don't notice, you don't see it. Yeah, you can't see it.
Speaker 2:I love this show.
Speaker 1:someone can be abused right in front of you and you don't notice, you can't see it. I just, I love this show. It's hard to find something new, find someone doing something different and finding a show that actually makes you feel something. And this show, I was like, oh, they're doing something different and it was really good.
Speaker 2:So I had a few more thoughts about Neil and why he participates in the situation. He's codependent in more than one way. So I think some stuff is slowly revealed throughout the sitcom. So at some point you slowly revealed throughout the sitcom. So at some point you realize that Patty is paying, like him and Patty's Neil's sister. They live next door and they live in this duplex that their parents left them, but she pays the mortgage for the entire duplex. He doesn't pay anything. Neil does not have a job. You never see him going to work, and so at some point, while after Allison is realizing that they don't have any money left in their savings, she asked Patty. She was like so you pay his rent and Kevin pays everything else?
Speaker 2:Kevin is also paying all of Neal's bills.
Speaker 1:That's a part of it, so that's another way to keep him in line and keep him in control.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, and then that's also the motivation for Neal to do whatever Kevin wants, because it's easier to clown around with you and take the insults. And take the step. Then get yourself together, get off alcohol and go get a job.
Speaker 1:Right, alcoholism is a big thing. In this show there are several people who are alcoholics. Some of the characters confront their alcoholism and some of them don't. But I'm like man, I know we're not big drinkers, but I'm like, is the level that they're drinking? Is that like even realistic?
Speaker 2:No, it's a lot. Is it realistic for who? Because if we're talking about alcoholism, yeah, it's a lot. Is it realistic for who? Because if we're talking about alcoholism, yeah, it looks a lot like that. I honestly feel like the different there's a lot of different things that's represented in the show, from the domestic violence to different types of trauma or what have you, to alcohol abuse, and that's another thing that I feel like they really got right and they really represented. They wrote it really well. You know what I mean. Like it looks, but then again, so like, yeah, we look at it because we see the whole thing, I mean from you know, the show perspective, but we see the whole thing. But then again, kevin and Neil go out to bars all the time, hang out, and no one calls them alcoholics. Like the only people who would refer to even Neil as an alcoholic is usually his sister and the police, because they're so familiar with him. You know what I mean. But they still, in general, have a good reputation throughout the.
Speaker 1:I don't know Neil, not so much but yeah Well, diane told Neil but it was like at the end of the show that he had a problem with alcohol, but that was after she had confronted her own problem with alcohol.
Speaker 2:After she had confronted her own and spent more time with him.
Speaker 1:I think my question is is it realistic for that many alcoholics to hang out? I think that's what I'm like. I can understand one person being an alcoholic, but what's the likelihood that five alcoholics are in the same friend group? Is that actually realistic?
Speaker 2:Well, I mean when people do get sober. That's why a lot of times they have to leave their friend group Because who else is drinking? You know what I mean? Who else is drinking that much all day? They drink from sunup to sundown. What other option is there? Because if you've got people who are not drinking that heavily, other than the people that are attached to them and don't have a choice, like the wife and the sister and all that kind of stuff, nobody else is around. Nobody else has time to sit there and do that with you. I think you gravitate towards people honestly.
Speaker 1:So do you think that the abuse that Kevin doles out is a product of his alcoholism, or do you think that the alcoholism is a product of his other issues, which coincides with the abuse which?
Speaker 2:coincides with the abuse. I don't think that they're mutually exclusive, but I do think, like the narcissism is like the head of the show, like I think that's the lead for him, like as far as like why everything else plays into it. The alcoholism for Kevin I think Kevin just does whatever he wants to do, whenever he wants to do it. He has no stop, no off button. So if he wants to drink all day, he's going to drink all day, like I don't know that he's drinking to kind of push stuff down the way. It's very clear that Neil is drinking, smoking, gravitating to whatever to push stuff down.
Speaker 1:Right. And see, I think that's what I was trying to get at when I said we don't get a backstory from Kevin. We don't really understand what his motivations are for what he's doing. Like Allison, like we get very clear understanding of how she ended up in this situation, we get that understanding with Patty and Neil why they have the issues that they have, and even Diane to a certain extent. But with Kevin it's just like why are you like this? What is wrong with you and I don't know. I'm like there has to be an explanation. But I guess there doesn't have to be an explanation. You can just be a terrible person, because society allows people to be terrible.
Speaker 2:Well, I think the only explanation that we get is how much the father enabled him. The father never told him no until the end, and so no one's ever told you no. No one's ever corrected you, from what we can see, because we have no idea what his relationship was like with his mother. But it's not like the father treats women all that well. He treats Allison terrible too, he does. There's one scene where the accident is not Kevin, it's the father treats women all that well. He treats Allison terrible too, he does. There's one scene where the accident is not Kevin, it's the father that hits her by accident. Hmm, so that's his model for how you treat women, right? I mean, we got a priest he was raised by a priest who got a nun pregnant. That's all we know, you know. And then, like I said throughout the show during different times where, even if you're an adult, I feel like most parents would correct you, like Diane corrected Allison more than the dad corrected.
Speaker 1:Kevin, yes, and Diane is Allison's aunt, yeah, but yeah, I definitely agree. I was not sure about their relationship when the show first started, but as the show went on I felt like, oh, you know what, alison, if she does not change, she's going to become Diane. Oh, okay, that's not just a perspective. Okay, because if you think about it, they're mirror images of each other. She's just an older version. She didn't have kids. Diane doesn't have any kids. Allison doesn't have any kids.
Speaker 1:Diane's whole world is her husband, but she's not happy in that marriage. And that's Allison. She's not happy in her marriage, but somehow her whole world is her husband. And you know, diane feels like at this point in her life, like you know, things have gone too far. She really can't make a change. You know, she does small things to take to better herself, small things to take back her power, but she, you know, she's afraid to just break and start new. And if Alison doesn't do that, if Alison, in her words, doesn't kill Kevin, she's going to end up as Diane if she lives that long.
Speaker 2:The only thing is that Alison has a lot more awareness than Diane does. Diane does not even realize she talks about it and, as you hear what Diane is saying, you're like this man is terrible. Before the big, the cheating incident. You're like this man is terrible. This man is terrible, but she's saying it in a fun, cute way. Oh, you know, he doesn't like me to wear, you know shoes, my orthopedic shoes, even though she needs them. Oh, he, you know he has me make him a sandwich or do everything, but she's not saying it as it's a bad thing. We're hearing it. That's ridiculous. I feel like until he cheats, it's like that veil was lifted. You know what I mean, but she's still describing it like oh, this is just what men do. Oh, kind of boys with a boy.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm saying, this is how I feel. She's been married and in that situation, even longer than allison, so you know how allison will drift off and think about what her, how her fantasy life that she wants to have with kevin. Diane's probably been doing that for even longer. So I think that diane is probably numb to the fact of how bad the situation is, because she's just enduring it, it so much longer. You said what?
Speaker 2:I think it's a generational difference. Like I do not think Diane is really aware. I don't think she enjoys doing the things she does for her husband or has to do for her husband, but I do not think she's really aware and confronts it until she cheats, and I think that's a generational difference. Like she's only 15 years older than Allison, but old enough to be like, oh that you know how men are, or you got to do this to save your marriage. She says all those kind of old refrains that older women say to younger women that keep them in horrible situations and that's why I do not think. Until she realized that that man has been cheating on her for 10 years and she's like I've been waiting on this man hand and foot and you've been cheating with that chick across the street for 10 years, that's when it's like the wool is lifted from her eyes, but up until then she thinks that that's what marriage is.
Speaker 1:I don't understand how he was cheating with the woman across the street for 10 years and she couldn't figure it out. He doesn't seem to be particularly Mobile, Careful about her feelings and the way that he so I'm like how did he hide it?
Speaker 2:The woman probably comes over while she's at work, because everybody, instantly, once she found out, everybody in town knew. So how long everybody in town knew.
Speaker 1:Everybody has always known. You know how it is in small towns, you do. Yeah, you're right, everybody knew, which is why I don't believe that Diane did not know. I think something happened where she could no longer pretend that she did not know. You know how small towns are. There are no secrets in small towns, and he's been with the same woman for 10 years.
Speaker 2:But that's what I'm saying in the difference of level of awareness between Diane and Allison. Allison is much more aware of that. Her situation is bad, and it's how bad. What Allison? The only thing Allison is not aware of is how do I get out of this?
Speaker 1:Right, so okay. So let me ask you. I have two questions. The first one is um, now that you've seen like the dark side of sitcoms, has that made you look at other sitcoms and reevaluate what you've seen?
Speaker 2:Oh, yes, absolutely. And I'm like, oh my goodness, was there one where the man wasn't abusive, even if he never laid a hand? Is there one where he was not, at least emotionally abusive? And I don't know that. I haven't. You know. No, because like, even like, I can't think of specific examples, but I know the one where Allison's talking about how she lost her job as a paralegal and she basically says that you know, kevin got in his head that she was having an affair with his boss. So he, you know he, I think he confronted him, I know he put sugar in his tank.
Speaker 1:Yes, I think he confronted him. I know he put sugar in his tank. Yes, he convinced that she was having sex with her boss, who was like 60 years old and married. He was calling him, put sugar in his gas tank and she ended up getting fired, right.
Speaker 2:So I just feel like I can't think of a specific example, but I feel like I've seen something similar in so many sitcoms. I feel like that is a trope the man going up to her job, being upset, or maybe the guy's not old, but he's really handsome, and so now you get real insecure. So now you find a reason to go to her job and you act a fool until you get her in trouble, or you know what I mean. You make the situation uncomfortable.
Speaker 1:Right, or she'll go to the gym to try to get healthy and she'll have a trainer and the husband's like peeping behind pretending. Those kind of things happen so often in sitcoms so often and the things that Kevin does.
Speaker 1:For example, her and Patty go on a road trip to Vermont and Kevin is calling Allison on the phone constantly to ask her asinine questions like where's my hat? And she doesn't answer the phone because her and Patty are out, you know, having an adventure, and Kevin calls the cops and reports his car stolen and they get pulled over by the police. And then there's the episode where there's the blackout and Allison is at the diner visiting her childhood friend, sam, and Kevin pops up with a group of people and she's like what are you doing here? He said I tracked your phone.
Speaker 2:That's real dangerous, because she was sleeping with Sam Not that day she was.
Speaker 1:She was.
Speaker 2:I was like that could have been a whole episode.
Speaker 1:But so the second question I have, as a way to like kind of end this episode and we'll, you know, in their next episode, I think, do more character breakdowns. What other genre blending would you like to see?
Speaker 2:oh, wow, okay, that's a good one. I don't know how to think about that. Hold on, um, I would like to see more of this. I honestly the sitcom drama works a lot. I don't know what else could be blended in this way.
Speaker 1:I'm campy, so I would love to see. I love when people blend musicals with anything. I love it. Give me a historical drama and make it a musical. I love when people break out of singing and out of nowhere. But there's so many things. I just want to see people take chances, tell a different story. Do you remember that movie, what was it called? Where they told the story like in reverse? Which one, no, not butterfly effect? Was it called incognito or something like that? But they actually told the story in reverse and I'm why do we not take more chances in TV and in movies?
Speaker 2:And how we tell the story.
Speaker 1:yeah, yes, Tell me a story, Draw me in. And me, I'm a sci-fi girly. I love sci-fi. I love sci-fi. I love YA, anything dystopic I'm there. Tell me a story, draw me in. I will be there every season. I'm faithful to a show. But what would you blend sci-fi with? You can blend sci-fi with anything. Once again, I love historical fiction. So put me on a planet and then tell me their ancient history. I'm there, I am there. You know what I'm saying. I love world building. Build a world and put something in it. Give me a crazy government that's got control of people, and then you've got some freedom fighters. I will watch it every time.
Speaker 2:And I love that too. I love that too, but I don't know that I see that as blended in the same way that this was. You know what I mean. You've got two very distinct genres that they put together Because I'm like, okay, so sci-fi and fiction. I feel like that's been done with a lot of time travel type of movies, you know what I mean or shows Like what else would be as stark as this contrast with these two?
Speaker 1:Let's see. So you could blend like horror and comedy. They've already done that, though, because, like, have you seen? Like there's like the vampire TV that though? Have you seen the Vampire TV show? What is the name of that show? It's cute. Which one? It's a show about vampires. Is it Reggie the Vampire? No, I've seen that one. This other one is even better. It's almost mockumentary style, something about shadows, yes, something like that. That show, that is it. Once again, it kind of blends horror and comedy and kind of like the mockumentary style, and it's a Good show and it's interesting and it's funny. But yeah, I don't know, I don't know what could capture, what Kevin can have himself captured.
Speaker 2:I don't know, it's hard to imagine Because, yeah, I wouldn't imagine this until I saw it. And then I'm like, oh wow, no, this was really good.
Speaker 1:This is a good idea and literally I did not know that it was going to do this. And I don't know what even made me watch the show. Because when it first started and it was a sitcom I was like I'm going to tell you why I continued to watch. Once I saw it was a sitcom, because it was Alexis from Schitt's Creek and I love the show Schitt's Creek. Have you never seen that show? No, you are in for a treat. Which one is Alexis. Alexis is Allison.
Speaker 1:When I tell you I love Schitt's Creek, schitt's Creek can be a comfort show for you. If you watch it, it'll become one of your comfort shows. It is so good and she did such an amazing job. And so when I saw that she was in Kevin Can Aff himself, I'm like, oh, let me see what this show's about. And then I was slightly disappointed.
Speaker 1:When it started the sitcom, I was like, oh, she, she's so much, she's so much better than that, you know. And so when she walks into the kitchen and everything shifts, I was like, like I was so excited because even though Schitt's Creek was a comedy, it's just it's, it's, it's an elite comedy. It's an elite comedy, really character driven. Really great, you know, really great show. So. But when it switched over I was like, oh okay, I watched it just on the fact that Alexis which her name is like Annie Murphy or something like that, but I always will call her Alexis, from Schitt's Creek, was in the show. But when she walked into that kitchen and that pivotal scene and you see the show was so much deeper, loved it. I will never get that moment back that I felt. But you know what I'm saying, you know when you feel like hearing something for the first time.
Speaker 1:I will never get that back. I enjoyed that. If you are someone who enjoys TV, this is the show for you, because it just speaks to a wide range of people, I feel like, and about TV itself, just how we watch it and what we take from it.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. Yeah, I loved it. I really enjoyed it. I enjoyed my time with you today, me too. This was great. I'm excited. So the next episode. I would love to like let's break down some characters and really do a deep dive in some of the other characters in the show. All right, sounds good, all right, see you.